Carotid Chokes and Breath Play

Thursday, February 18th, 2010

I mentioned breath play a bit in my last post; specifically, that Jay Wiseman is against all forms of breath play. And as a preface to this, don’t try carotid chokes until you’ve been taught by someone who knows what they’re doing, and have practiced it with someone on the other end that knows what it should feel like when properly applied (so they can tell you first-hand whether you’re doing it right or not). Judo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu classes are great for learning these techniques. I do not purport to be an expert on any of this. I have some experience, and that is all that I can speak of.

What I engage in is really more of “oxygen play” than breath play — coming from a martial arts background, I know a variety of chokes, and in martial arts they are split into two categories: blood chokes and air chokes. Blood chokes (like the sleeper hold, also known as the rear naked choke) cut off the flow of blood to the brain, whereas air chokes cut off the air supply to the lungs (which eventually cuts off the supply of oxygen to the brain). Blood chokes are far and away my favorite, for a couple of reasons.

First, blood chokes are much safer. Air chokes, which generally put pressure on the trachea, can cause damage to the trachea if there is too much struggling or if you apply the choke too hard. With blood chokes, unless you’re incredibly strong and using all of your strength, it’s unlikely that you’ll cause any damage even if you put the choke on very hard (assuming you let go once the other person goes limp).  According to Knight’s book Forensic Pathology, there is an expert consensus that it takes a minimum of four to six minutes to start to do permanent brain damage with a completely effective choke hold. So when you’re talking about 10 seconds or less, you should be well within the safe zone.

Second, the effect of a blood choke is almost immediate — you can choke someone to unconsciousness in easily under 10 seconds, whereas with an air choke it could take a minute or more. This can be good and bad, depending on what you’re going for. With an air choke, that leaves more time for panic (if that’s what you’re going for), but also more time for struggling, and more opportunities for an accident to occur. I don’t care how bad a girl she’s been; crushing her trachea is not appropriate punishment!

A note about blood chokes and unconsciousness: there are several levels of unconsciousness, and a properly applied blood choke will put someone into a basic level of unconsciousness quickly. So quickly and easily that you might think they’re faking. Trust me, they’re not. And while you can safely apply the choke for a while longer after this — maybe an extra 5-10 seconds — their body will reflexively go into panic mode, and even though they’re unconscious, they will thrash about. While this isn’t particularly dangerous for them if you have them secured (and assuming you don’t apply the choke for a long time after that), it will cause them to come back to consciousness more panicked, and generally with a splitting headache to boot. I’ve made this mistake before, so please learn from my mistakes!

Also, choking to the point of unconsciousness is (of course) not the only option, nor one I necessarily recommend. It takes a huge level of trust from the bottom, and a fair amount of knowledge from the top, to safely do that. Engaging in carotid chokes that do not end in unconsciousness (i.e. are only applied for a second or two) also gives that feeling of power exchange, the moment of panic, the building of trust.

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The other night, I talked some with my girl about breath play, trying to find out what she gets from it. I highly recommend that you talk with your partner about these sorts of things, by the way — not just breath play, but your SM relationship in general. Getting a peek into your partner’s head helps you know them better, which strengthens the bond, and also makes play more fun. Knowledge is power, after all. *grin*

For her, there are several elements. There is the element of struggle, which is enjoyable for her. She is physically strong, and also grew up with two brothers, so she’s used to wrestling. She also has dated far more women than men, and even the men she’s dated she’s been able to physically best them in such situations for the most part. So she’s used to winning. For me (a skinny guy) to be able to physically overpower her when she’s really trying gives a certain edge to it; she’s not roleplaying and pretending to let me take control over her, I am physically taking control of her in a very real way.

There is the physical element as well. Breath play makes orgasms more intense. This is no doubt why so many deaths from auto-erotic asphyxiation occur. I’m not sure how much of this is purely physical, and how much psychological. I can say that even clasping a hand around a partner’s throat and applying light pressure has seemed to make their orgasms more intense. Note that this experience is always with people who welcomed it though — it’s absolutely not the sort of thing you do without discussing it first. But I don’t need to tell you that. You are all negotiating before scenes, and all you tops that want to engage in breath play are asking if it’s okay, right? Good, I thought so!

But the biggest aspect is trust. Once I lock in a choke, there is the moment of panic. She knows that she is completely powerless, at my whim. And though there is that survival instinct screaming in her brain, she also knows that she is in no danger. It’s exciting; it’s a rush of adrenaline; it both requires trust and strengthens it.

And then when she comes to, there is that split second where she doesn’t know where she is, what’s going on, or what just happened. Fear. Confusion. But she sees my face, feels me against her, and she is immediately at ease. The contrast from one extreme to the other makes it all the more significant.

From my end, it’s the exact same from the other side of the coin. It is an amazing feeling of control, and it feels good knowing that someone trusts you to that extent. You can see it, and feel it. In this day and age of emotional repression and distancing, it is beautiful to be able to form a bond that close, and in doing this sort of thing, you experience how deep of a bond it really is.

Though all SM activities require trust, I think that breath play, and especially breath play involving carotid choking to the point of unconsciousness, requires a different level of trust. If the top were to do something wrong, by accident or on purpose, it could more easily and quickly result in death than with any other SM activity that immediately comes to mind.  The worst-case scenario, no matter how unlikely, is still pretty extreme. Perhaps this is one of the reasons that Jay Wiseman is against it.

For me, the risks are acceptable; my girl is more likely to be injured or killed out driving than while in my arms’ crushing caress. It’s a risk that each person involved has to weigh, but some people see it as unquestionably too dangerous to engage in, and I personally disagree vehemently with that notion.

5 Comments to “Carotid Chokes and Breath Play”
  1. R says:

    Thanks for this post. It’s very informative.

  2. Voron says:

    Over 8 million people [1] participate in judo, a martial art with a long history (over 100 years), and all of these people are choked and apply chokes on a regular basis with a near perfect safety record[2]. The average fitness level of judo players may be higher than the general population but people of all fitness levels participate in judo and other grappling arts (like Brazilian jiu-jitsu or BJJ, catch wrestling, submission wrestling and mixed martial arts). Many people begin classes as a way of getting in shape and losing weight after years of living a sedentary lifestyle, and yet there is not one recorded death directly linked to a single or repeated application of judo chokes. For a very conservative estimate we can say that only 1% of judo players are relatively “out of shape”, we can continue a conservative estimate of the number of times they are choked in a week, lets say 5 times. That makes 20,800,000 choking incidents in one year among an out of shape population with ZERO deaths and few if any injuries of any serious note. So obviously if you want to learn how to choke people effectively and safely judo, BJJ, catch wrestling, submission wrestling and MMA (mixed martial arts) classes can be highly valuable.

    The question often arises about potential long term negative effects; much of what is espoused at BDSM classes and in online essays is purely speculative. The fact is speculation is not necessary, there have been several clinical studies of brain function during the application of judo chokes [3] [4], and none have shown any indication of potential brain damage. In addition to that there has been a study entitled “Long-term effects of boxing and judo choking on brain function” published in the Italian Journal of Neurological Science where boxers and judo player were studied for any evidence of functional brain damage. The researchers concluded “…”while professional boxers may show brain functional impairment in comparison to normal subjects, judoka do not.”[4].

    There is a known condition called dementia pugilistic, or boxers dementia. This diagnosis evolved because of the number of boxers who demonstrated neurological impairment during their career or in retirement. There is a massive population of people participating in martial arts who regularly apply chokes, and apply them full force in competition (to the point of unconsciousness). If repeated choking led to brain damage, the medical community would have noticed and created a diagnosis similar to dementia pugilistic, but they have not. Why? Because there simply are NOT hundreds or thousands of judo players who are showing any kind of neurological impairment.

    There are over 150 choking techniques in Brazilian jiu-jitsu alone. They do smothering style techniques, utilizing it as a method of reducing the cardiovascular endurance of those they are competing against. They utilize the martial arts uniform (gi) collar as a ligature to close the arteries or seal the windpipe of their opponents. They use their legs and arms to apply chokes. In short they apply a very wide variety of techniques, and yet maintain a level of safety that allows these styles to be some of the most popular forms of martial arts in the world.

    Just about any urban area has multiple judo and/or BJJ schools to choose from. For the breath play enthusiast this is wonderful situation. For the price of one or two kink events a person can pay for 3 months or more of high quality hands on training in the application of chokes. For a fetish oft maligned as incredibly dangerous and life threatening, why wouldn’t educators encourage those with a breath play fetish to avail themselves of such a resource?
    So with that in mind here are my two must do recommendations for ANYONE considering BDSM breath play and concerned with the potential safety issues.

    1: Go to your physician and discuss your individual heath risks in regard to choking and being choked. It is always best to be honest and clear with your health care providers, but you can always take the communication step by step. You can tell your physician that you intend on taking Brazilian jiu-jitsu or judo classes where they apply chokes on a regular basis and ask if there is anything in your personal health history which would make that practice MORE dangerous than the average person. After discussing your personal risk factors you will be able to make a more informed choice about whether this activity is within your acceptable risk range.

    2: Go take 3 months worth of Brazilian jiu-jitsu or judo classes from a local school which regularly engages in tournaments. I highly suggest a competitive school, (hopefully one whose students regularly win such tournaments), because it ensures a certain level of competence. Tell the instructor that you are very interested in chokes, how to apply them and how to defend against them. When in class always pair up with the highest belt/most experienced student when practicing chokes.

    3: Play with a partner who has also taken classes in a grappling art such as judo, BJJ, submission wrestling etc, hopefully with you at the same school.

    [1] Goodman F, The ultimate book of martial arts, 2001 (pg 132)
    [2] Koiwai EK, Deaths allegedly caused by the use of \choke holds\ (shime-waza) J Forensic Sci. 1987 Mar;32(2):419-32.
    [3] Rau R, Raschka C, Brunner K, Banzer W, Spectral analysis of electroencephalography changes after choking in judo (juji-jime) Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1998 Sep;30(9):1356-6
    [4] Rodriguez G, Francione S, Gardella M, Marenco S, Nobili F, Novellone G, Reggiani E, Rosadini G., Judo and choking: EEG and regional cerebral blood flow findings. J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 1991 Dec;31(4):605-10.
    [5] Rodriguez G, Vitali P, Nobili F. Long-term effects of boxing and judo-choking techniques on brain function. Ital J Neurol Sci. 1998 Dec;19(6):367-72.

    Copyright madtown beatdown voron 2010

  3. J says:

    lol i did this with guy who does juijitsu. Was AWESOME. you hold ur hand up so they know when your out. one moment your being choked and you feel a second of panick then next thing you know you’re waking up. It is SO COOL lol

    i reckon it would be best in a threesome… one could be fucking yu while the other applys the choke.. would be unreal lol

  4. […] The opposite school tends to argue that people engage in asphyxia all the time, with minimal risk.  Typically, they point to the statistics that Judo and Jiu-Jitsu schools have included “choking out” as part of their training for hundreds of years, and in all of that time, there has not been one recorded death from choking in training or competition. […]

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