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		<title>Comment on Carotid Chokes and Breath Play by R</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/18/carotid-chokes-and-breath-play/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post.  It&#039;s very informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post.  It&#8217;s very informative.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tame BDSM &#8220;How-To&#8221; Books by Carotid Chokes and Breath Play &#124; BDSM Weblog</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/15/tame-bdsm-how-to-books/comment-page-1/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Carotid Chokes and Breath Play &#124; BDSM Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mentioned breath play a bit in my last post; specifically, that Jay Wiseman is against all forms of breath play. And as a preface to this, [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Tame BDSM &#8220;How-To&#8221; Books by Sammael</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/15/tame-bdsm-how-to-books/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve recently become aware of this, through FetLife discussions -- probably the same ones that you&#039;re talking about.  Philip the Foole seems to have some good logical points in those discussions, and the_lab_rat has some good legal points, both in opposition to Jay&#039;s points.  Here is something that Philip had to say in regards to Jay being an expert witness in breath play cases (I hope the blockquote HTML works here):

&lt;blockquote&gt;When Jay works as an expert witness, he is being paid by the defense attorney to try to create an element of doubt in the mind of the jury that perhaps the defendant did not murder the victim with an intentional, very prolonged strangle hold. Jay&#039;s expert witness, Dr. Knight, states that it there is an expert consensus that it takes a minimum of four-to-six minutes to start to do permanent brain damage with a completely effective choke hold. Try to &quot;choke&quot; your own wrist for four minutes, and it will become clear that this is not something that could possibly be done by accident, or in a moment of passion. That makes it essential for the defense to try to establish that a &quot;playful tweak&quot; can be instantly fatal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m actually drafting a post about breath play, and carotid chokes in particular, for release within the next day or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve recently become aware of this, through FetLife discussions &#8212; probably the same ones that you&#8217;re talking about.  Philip the Foole seems to have some good logical points in those discussions, and the_lab_rat has some good legal points, both in opposition to Jay&#8217;s points.  Here is something that Philip had to say in regards to Jay being an expert witness in breath play cases (I hope the blockquote HTML works here):</p>
<blockquote><p>When Jay works as an expert witness, he is being paid by the defense attorney to try to create an element of doubt in the mind of the jury that perhaps the defendant did not murder the victim with an intentional, very prolonged strangle hold. Jay&#8217;s expert witness, Dr. Knight, states that it there is an expert consensus that it takes a minimum of four-to-six minutes to start to do permanent brain damage with a completely effective choke hold. Try to &#8220;choke&#8221; your own wrist for four minutes, and it will become clear that this is not something that could possibly be done by accident, or in a moment of passion. That makes it essential for the defense to try to establish that a &#8220;playful tweak&#8221; can be instantly fatal.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m actually drafting a post about breath play, and carotid chokes in particular, for release within the next day or so.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tame BDSM &#8220;How-To&#8221; Books by Clarisse Thorn</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/15/tame-bdsm-how-to-books/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarisse Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Wiseman has a very mixed reputation.  Did you know that he now works as an expert witness in BDSM cases ... and talking about how dangerous everything we do is?  He basically makes his living setting legal standards that set some folks (eg anyone who does breath play) up to be attacked, from what I understand.  I&#039;m not really up on this debate but I know there&#039;ve been some threads on FetLife about it recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Wiseman has a very mixed reputation.  Did you know that he now works as an expert witness in BDSM cases &#8230; and talking about how dangerous everything we do is?  He basically makes his living setting legal standards that set some folks (eg anyone who does breath play) up to be attacked, from what I understand.  I&#8217;m not really up on this debate but I know there&#8217;ve been some threads on FetLife about it recently.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tame BDSM &#8220;How-To&#8221; Books by Sammael</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/15/tame-bdsm-how-to-books/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there&#039;s a lot of age-ism in the lifestyle too, I&#039;ve found.  People assume that if you&#039;re young (or look young) -- which in lifestyle terms generally means younger than 40-40 -- then you must be new/not know what you&#039;re doing/etc.

Also, I think a lot of doms (especially male ones) tend to be &quot;helpful&quot; as a guise to put themselves in a position of authority and trust, and eventually seduction.  It&#039;s interesting to watch what happens when there&#039;s an attractive piece of new meat in the scene.  &quot;O hai! My toyz, let me show u them!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s a lot of age-ism in the lifestyle too, I&#8217;ve found.  People assume that if you&#8217;re young (or look young) &#8212; which in lifestyle terms generally means younger than 40-40 &#8212; then you must be new/not know what you&#8217;re doing/etc.</p>
<p>Also, I think a lot of doms (especially male ones) tend to be &#8220;helpful&#8221; as a guise to put themselves in a position of authority and trust, and eventually seduction.  It&#8217;s interesting to watch what happens when there&#8217;s an attractive piece of new meat in the scene.  &#8220;O hai! My toyz, let me show u them!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tame BDSM &#8220;How-To&#8221; Books by Sam</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/15/tame-bdsm-how-to-books/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what I&#039;m going to say. 

I&#039;m not (god forbid) advocating recklessness (perish the thought - what sort of madman...), but I can&#039;t mention knifeplay without a forty-minute lecture on the subject by some fat, leather-panted parrot of some 55-year-old douche in Kansas with Wordperfect and RedTube as his &quot;first-hand experience.&quot; 

Frankly, I never thought I&#039;d see cleft assholes in a community of against-the-grain people. It&#039;s the first sign, to me, of someone full of shit. You don&#039;t see a lot of gun advocates who jump down your throat with a lecture on gun safety the minute you say you might like to go to the range someday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what I&#8217;m going to say. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not (god forbid) advocating recklessness (perish the thought &#8211; what sort of madman&#8230;), but I can&#8217;t mention knifeplay without a forty-minute lecture on the subject by some fat, leather-panted parrot of some 55-year-old douche in Kansas with Wordperfect and RedTube as his &#8220;first-hand experience.&#8221; </p>
<p>Frankly, I never thought I&#8217;d see cleft assholes in a community of against-the-grain people. It&#8217;s the first sign, to me, of someone full of shit. You don&#8217;t see a lot of gun advocates who jump down your throat with a lecture on gun safety the minute you say you might like to go to the range someday.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tame BDSM &#8220;How-To&#8221; Books by Sammael</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/15/tame-bdsm-how-to-books/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, I feel this about to turn into a medical tort reform discussion, and that both of us would be preaching to each other&#039;s choir in talking about it.  :)

To your point, it&#039;s a bit of a catch-22.  Even if you do everything right, go out of your way to take safety precautions, but something goes wrong...  the top is still every bit as legally liable.  So it does make sense to minimize the possibility of something going wrong by going to lengths with safety (and again, I do think safety is a very important thing).

Maybe it is, as someone else called it, the more litigious nature of today&#039;s society that has caused a lot of this.  But then again, if that results in fewer people being hurt by accident, and newbies taking things more slowly, then that is a silver lining at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, I feel this about to turn into a medical tort reform discussion, and that both of us would be preaching to each other&#8217;s choir in talking about it.  <img src='http://bdsmweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>To your point, it&#8217;s a bit of a catch-22.  Even if you do everything right, go out of your way to take safety precautions, but something goes wrong&#8230;  the top is still every bit as legally liable.  So it does make sense to minimize the possibility of something going wrong by going to lengths with safety (and again, I do think safety is a very important thing).</p>
<p>Maybe it is, as someone else called it, the more litigious nature of today&#8217;s society that has caused a lot of this.  But then again, if that results in fewer people being hurt by accident, and newbies taking things more slowly, then that is a silver lining at least.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Tame BDSM &#8220;How-To&#8221; Books by R</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/15/tame-bdsm-how-to-books/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We live in a society where accidents don&#039;t happen.  If something bad happens, then it must be someone&#039;s fault and that someone must be punished.  As a society we enforce this both at a legal and social level.   Is it any surprise then that these books would go the extreme towards caution?  Remember that domestic abuse is a state crime (the victim doesn&#039;t have to press charges), and there&#039;s many a S&amp;M evening that could be prosecuted if you were unlucky enough to get an aggressive DA.

Sorry for rambling, but my point is this.  For such a system of blame to exist, there must be hard and fast rules for who is &quot;right&quot; and &quot;wrong&quot;.  Otherwise we&#039;d have to accept that sometimes mistakes do happen, people do get hurt, and there is no one that SHOULD be blamed... and that is something we will not accept (anytime in the foreseeable future)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We live in a society where accidents don&#8217;t happen.  If something bad happens, then it must be someone&#8217;s fault and that someone must be punished.  As a society we enforce this both at a legal and social level.   Is it any surprise then that these books would go the extreme towards caution?  Remember that domestic abuse is a state crime (the victim doesn&#8217;t have to press charges), and there&#8217;s many a S&amp;M evening that could be prosecuted if you were unlucky enough to get an aggressive DA.</p>
<p>Sorry for rambling, but my point is this.  For such a system of blame to exist, there must be hard and fast rules for who is &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;wrong&#8221;.  Otherwise we&#8217;d have to accept that sometimes mistakes do happen, people do get hurt, and there is no one that SHOULD be blamed&#8230; and that is something we will not accept (anytime in the foreseeable future)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Guilt in BDSM by Sammael</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/04/guilt-in-bdsm/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Sammael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, sometimes the media is a boon to BDSM... but that&#039;s the exception and not the rule.  Generally tops are portrayed as psychopathic monsters, and bottoms are portrayed as crazies.  With vanillas I&#039;ve found it best to start out by saying that I&#039;m into rough sex, and take it from there.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, sometimes the media is a boon to BDSM&#8230; but that&#8217;s the exception and not the rule.  Generally tops are portrayed as psychopathic monsters, and bottoms are portrayed as crazies.  With vanillas I&#8217;ve found it best to start out by saying that I&#8217;m into rough sex, and take it from there.  <img src='http://bdsmweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Guilt in BDSM by Tom Allen</title>
		<link>http://bdsmweblog.com/2010/02/04/guilt-in-bdsm/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For bottoms, there is the stigma that only crazy people want pain&lt;/i&gt;

This ha been a constant source of psychic pain for me, especially during those times when I&#039;ve had partners who were more vanilla. It&#039;s very difficult to explain about kink in general, but I have found it nearly impossible to discuss why I&#039;d want to bottom - it immediately brings up the humiliating images portrayed by movies and tv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For bottoms, there is the stigma that only crazy people want pain</i></p>
<p>This ha been a constant source of psychic pain for me, especially during those times when I&#8217;ve had partners who were more vanilla. It&#8217;s very difficult to explain about kink in general, but I have found it nearly impossible to discuss why I&#8217;d want to bottom &#8211; it immediately brings up the humiliating images portrayed by movies and tv.</p>
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